obama doesn't want another recession. the idea that pallety murray/chuck schumer idea if they can't have their way with no spending, if they can't have their way and raise tax rates they'll let all the tax cuts expire and we'll go into a recession. i think that's a bluff. i think that makes obama herbert hoover obama. he can't take a second recession and it would blow him out of the water. i think that's why the republicans have more leverage than they think. >> that's absolutely true. >> you buy that? >> more importantly there are three other reasons you should be able to get to an agreement. speaker boehner nose knows we need an agreement. three, this is the rare period in american politics where you can have governance with less politics. number four, you have a forcing mechanism. that happens very rarely, so those -- all those factors come together. i believe one of these weekends the president and speaker will get in a room and desire this things. >> we were there in the summer of 2011. we were there. i'm not saying